Re: [Condor-users] Do you have experience with Quill? I would like to talk with you.

["Michael O'Donnell" <odonnellm@xxxxxxxx>]

I am a relatively new user and administrator of Condor at our science center. I recently investigated the use of Quill for several purposes. I am interested in a mechanism to track the use of Condor as well as other statistics that can be extracted via Quill. We are using PostGres DB and our pool is made entirely of Windows machines.

I did not find the configuration or set up too complex, but I was not able to get Quill to work for us. Once everything was set up and Quill was enabled, everything worked for about a day. Then our pool started dropping machines, or at least the ability to detect these machines. After a couple days we no longer had any machines left in the pool. I will be tackling these problems down again in a couple weeks, but right now we are not able to use Quill.

In theory, Quill seems like a great tool for what we want. I found it interesting that some users felt this was not supported or being used by many others. For our group, we are very interested in some mechanism for tracking the use and history of our pool and Quill seems like a great mechanism to accomplish this.

I would also be interested in other administrators' experiences and whether other people believe have been using better/different methods for tracking information about Condor pools.

Mike

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From: Mag Gam <magawake@xxxxxxxxx>
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Date: 07/21/2010 04:38AM
Subject: Re: [Condor-users] Do you have experience with Quill? I would like to talk with you.

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I though we were going to get a lot more responses....


On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Mag Gam <magawake@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Couple of gripes about quill:
> I feel there is no development effort for it anymore which makes me
> believe don't use it anymore
> The schema isn't really optimized. I feel spending some time to make
> it more relational will make it more efficient.
> Postgresql is a great choice for it! But I prefer it run on an
> embedded RELATIONAL database such as Derby
> (http://db.apache.org/derby/)
> The setup is NOT trivial. I wish it was easier to setup
> There isn't really too much documentation on it. How is schedd
> messages getting into quill? How does it parse these messages?
> Remove oracle support -- I think if we remove this we can spend more
> time enhancing a single DBMS
> It would be great to have **everything**  in XML so its easy to parse
> this data.  Everything including, schedd logs, negotiator logs,
> MaserLogs, CollectorLogs, etc...
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Mag Gam <magawake@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I use quill, and I like it a lot!
>>
>> The size of the database is about 90GB and its growing rapidly,
>> Frankly, if we spend more time on it I think quill solution is the way
>> to go! It has everything we need and more...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Erik Paulson <epaulson@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Hello all -
>>>
>>> After a long time away, my research is leading me back to Quill.
>>>
>>> I'm very interested in talking with Condor users and administrators
>>> about their experiences with and thoughts about Quill. I'm interested in
>>> talking with you if you currently use Quill, or build on top of Quill,
>>> or used to use Quill but don't any longer, or think you might use Quill
>>> someday, or at one point thought you were going to use Quill be no longer
>>> think you're going to, or something else involving Quill.
>>>
>>> I'm not quite doing a survey - it's more of a conversation.  I also
>>> don't want to include my questions in this email, because for one, I
>>> know that I've got different questions for some of you, and I want to
>>> keep the topics wide-ranging and don't want to people to self-select out.
>>>
>>> So, if you've ever so much as thought about Quill, I'd very much
>>> appreciate it if you'd send me email (off the list is preferred, but if
>>> you've had a great experience or a horrible experience and want to let
>>> the list know, that's fine).
>>>
>>> I'm expecting that my questions and followups won't take more than two
>>> or three emails for most people.
>>>
>>> If there are things worth summarizing back to the list, I will do that -
>>> but more likely, you'll hear about some of what I've learned at Condor
>>> Week 2011.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance!
>>>
>>> -Erik
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>
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